Science Of Disorder finally released the new album and it was definitely worth the wait. The same style influenced by Swedish death metal, same crunchy, dry guitars, same variety of vocals, brilliant rhythm section with appropriate proportions of double-bass drums, distorted bass, catchy melody lines, but better. I have enjoyed it a lot and I strongly encourage you to give it a go, too. I've also managed to send a lot of questions to Lord Pelthor (the guitarist) and he had to ask two other guys to help him with answering them all (Stéphane Grand - another guitarist and Jérôme Thomas - vocalist). Anyways, put on "Apoptose" in the background and enjoy all the latest news from the Swiss metal squad and I don't blame you if you feel a bit jealous because I've heard two extra tracks (and they're good). Oh, the perks of writing about my favorite music (because "journalist" is a bit too big a word here, haha)... 

Maciek

Hi, first of all thanks a lot for your time. It's been a while since we talked outside Proxima during your tour with Krisiun, Diabolical and Septicflesh in 2019 and I remember Stéphane already mentioned some material being written for the next album. Could you please give us chronological order (if you can recall) which tracks on the "Apoptose" are the oldest and which ones are the latest?

Jérôme Thomas: I worked on them all at the same time, so no time difference for me.

Stéphane Grand: I really can't remember the chronological order because I wrote songs throughout the year and it's very difficult to recall which is the first and the last. But I clearly remember "Crawling Chaos" was the first one we worked on together for "Apoptose".

I remember you mentioned that the album was basically ready for release in the first half of 2021. Can you share some details on what was happening with the material until its official release in September 2022?

Lord Pelthor: The post-covid period was a difficult period for the whole music industry, especially for the metal scene. After the lockdown, all bands on major labels released their albums and that was not a good idea to release it in 2021, but you're right, the album was ready for one year. At this time, we worked a lot on the communication, promotion, merchandising and now we are happy to release it in Sep 2022 under the label Black Market Music.

Black Market Music - how did you get in touch with them and what made you decide to choose this label?

LP: We had several opportunities in terms of labels, but as I told you, it was not easy to find the best one among the major ones and the underground scene. We already co-released an album with Black Market Music ("Private Hell" - 2018, co-release between Fastball Music and Black Market Music). They are from Switzerland and working hard to develop the band and we already have a self-confidence with Gaby (owner of Black Market Music).

The studio you recorded in (Downtone Studio) is the same where you recorded "Private Hell", the guitars still have that brandmark crunchy, dry tone, same with vocals, drums and bass, but few tracks have some extra effects, ambient sounds in the background - can you tell us some more how these ideas came around? Any new guitar effects or guitar models were used? Any other changes to equipment used for recording or for your live performances?

LP: We recorded this new album "Apoptose" with Drop (also known as the guitarist of SAMAEL, SYBREED) in the Downtone Studio in Switzerland. We were really happy about his work on the previous album "Private Hell" and we decided to work with him again on this album. The sounds of "Apoptose" keep the same DNA, keeping the old Swedish sounds and the modern approach. About the effects and ambient sounds, we tried to keep as raw as possible and we added some extra-effects directly into the studio with Drop. In the studio, we always did the same process by bringing different guitar models, using and testing several amps and effects and just letting the sound engineer make the best recipe. We are really lucky and grateful to him for sublimating this. Regarding live performances, we're just applying the best advice from GOJIRA's sound engineer (Johann Meyer) who said "less is more, just play as precisely as possible". On my side, I've found incredible amplifiers (PRS MT-15) and I just use a Zuul pedal from FORTIN to remove some extra dirty and energetic noises and I use ESP and SOLAR guitars on live. At home, I exclusively use NEURAL DSP plugins which are crazy.

Was the composing process similar to "Private Hell"? Was Jérôme writing any lyrics before hearing music this time or is Stéphane still not allowing it as they have to be inspired by the music? ;-)

SG: The composing process was exactly the same this time. Stéphane wrote songs and then he sent them to the guys to decide which ones we keep and which not. We don't know if Jerome wrote lyrics before. But we know he prefers to get the music before being inspired.

JT: Same process, I received the music, listened to it, put my voice and wrote the lyrics. Usually I have some ideas before and add them in the most appropriate song.

Has anything changed regarding who composes which lines for the album? Or are you equally contributing to each track?

SG: Nothing changed. Stéph composes the lines. It was decided like that a long time ago because he was the only one who has enough time for that.

Before the official release we got to see the video for piano version of 'Carrions' from "Private Hell" and for the single promoting "Apoptose" album - 'Rabid Dog'. And the latest video has just come recently - for 'Des Rêves Noirs'. Can you tell something about how these songs are chosen? How did you find Fog Artistics and do you expect this to be a long-time collaboration? Are there any other videos planned for this album?

LP: Effectively, we're always trying to be different or surprise the fans. During the lockdown, we were one of the first band to make an homemade video through a zoom conference (song 'Sickness' from the "Private Hell" album - https://youtu.be/lWLPfohtRM0), right after we released a piano version of 'Carrions' (https://youtu.be/fJh_L82zQmc) which were composed and played by our ex-drummer Baptiste Maier. That was also a challenge for us, to show how a death metal band can produce music with a piano and a singer. These two videos were realized by FOG Artistics and, as we were happy about the results, we made 2 others videos from the new album "Apoptose" ('Rabid Dog' - https://youtu.be/5xxIP1FuFmU and 'Des Rêves Noirs' - https://youtu.be/4Rsh01wmYAY). As I told you, we always try to surprise and the last song 'Des Rêves Noirs' is in French and the result is a success. Currently, we're preparing a new video clip with FOG Artistics and we also have several lyric videos which will be released next month. For us, lyrics and video clips are very important and we're lucky to work with professionals who made this possible.

Speaking of the last track mentioned - were you always planning to have a track in your native language? What are the lyrics about?

JT: Actually it was a last minute change. I had no idea what to do with this song, and the day before recording it I trashed everything I had done on it, as I was not satisfied. Finally I decided to go for French and recorded it directly like that. It has some Lovecraft colors in it, fans will recognize...

'Grind Me' track has a guest appearance of Julien from Benighted - how did you guys meet and how was this track created? From the lyrical side it seems to be more "gory", in the style of Benighted, was Julien involved in writing lyrics, too?

JT: Julien is a friend of Steph, and when the idea came to make a song with a guest, it was an obvious choice. I wrote all the lyrics, sent to Julien what I wanted where, and he did an amazing job on the first shot.

Have you had the opportunity to test the new tracks live? Which one do you enjoy playing the most? Which track is the best to start the moshpit (is it 'Hear Us' by any chance? ;-))

LP: We did a release party the day after the official release of "Apotpose" in our city of Lausanne, Switzerland. For this party, we played exclusively the songs or our new album "Apoptose". We played also a few songs of this album on last shows and the feedback of the fans was really nice. It's difficult for each of us to say which is our favorite song because they are all different. 'Kotlas Connection' is a good song to start, very dark and heavy, 'Rabid Dog' is going to be the most popular one, 'Des Rêves Noirs' sounds incredible in France because of the French lyrics. For the moment, we had really good feedback.

Obviously I have to ask about two tracks - 'Broken Queen's Empire' and 'Things That Bite' - were they recorded during the same session? How come they didn't end up on the album? Do you plan to release them in any form in the future?

LP: You're right, during the covid period, we recorded several songs and kept the best of them. We also keep these two songs for a special edition which will be released in 2023, for instance for a vinyl format or for an exclusive edition on a compilation. It's also a way to always have a few songs in advance for the future.

How did you get to meet the new members - Theo and Greg? What can we expect from them to bring to the band's sound and style?

LP: During the "Private Hell" tour, we had a session bass player and our drummer, who has several bands and projects, left us during the covid period. We had so much great time with these two guys who are professional musicians and brought different musical approaches to the band. Unfortunately, they didn't have the time to continue the adventure with the band and we're really happy to find Theo and Greg, who bring a youthful freshness and a lot of energy in the band.

Seth from Septicflesh designed the album cover - did you come up with the idea about it during your tour together? And what was the idea behind the title of the album?

LP: It's an incredible honor to have an artist like Seth on our album. We have kept in contact after the tour we made together in 2019 and he did a great job on our album "Apoptose". We also made 2 models of t-shirts based on this design that you can find in our store or during our concerts. We're still in contact and it's always a pleasure to see him when he comes with Septicflesh in Switzerland.

What are SoD's nearest plans? Any tours or shows?

LP: Since the release of "Apoptose", we have made several video clips with our video agency FOG Artistics and were focused on the promotion of the album. For 2023, we're trying to find a lot of concerts, whether it will be a new tour or festivals. Personally, it would be a pleasure to come back to the Eastern Countries where we had wonderful memories.

Any last message to the readers? Where can we get the latest news and band's merchandise?

LP: First of all, we would like to thank all new fans, followers who send us messages and positive waves for our project. We meet each time, many crazy persons on tour and that's always a pleasure to meet new faces. Special thanks also to all our old and loyal fans. We receive a lot of messages, especially for touring and we really hope to come back in your cities next year during the promotion of "Apoptose". On social medias, we're active on Instagram, Facebook and all these socials networks but it's more simple to go to our official website (https://science-of-disorder.com/) or our linktree (https://linktr.ee/scienceofdisorder) to stay tuned.

Swedish doom legends Candlemass just have released their thirteenth full-length album "Sweet Evil Sun" (read reviews here). Is it a bad omen? Well, probably not. Guitarist Mappe Björkman with whom I did a WhatsApp call mentioned a lot of good things about the album. We talked about the actual band situation and also about some slight changes in the band's style. Enjoy reading!

Michael

Hi Mappe, thanks for taking the time for the interview. How are you doing? You released your 13th full-length album "Sweet Evil Sun" on the 18th of November. Are you still excited about doing this after being part of the business for so many years?

Yeah, every time you release a new album it's fantastic. This time it's not being nervous but more the adrenaline thing. The last album "Door To Doom" we had with Tony Iommi and we had a Grammy nomination in America as well – it was a big thing that happened around us that time after so many years. When it comes to now this is the first album that we do with Johan Längquist who has been like a hired hand to us both on "Epicus Doomicus Metallicus" and the same with "Door To Doom". He had two weeks to record that one. I think this is the best that we actually can do to have a new album with him. I have worked with him for one year and it's fantastic.

I hope you aren't superstitious because it's the 13th album by Candlemass!

Haha, no,no! The thing is that every album is a fantastic thing to do for us. We did the reunion of Candlemass in 2001 and we said to do one show. We didn't talk about doing an album and now we have 2022 and the reunion thing has been longer than we did in the 80s and 90s. I see it more like we just go one step further and it is so fantastic to see the audience that wasn't even born when we released the first two albums and they sing along to all our songs, that's amazing to see that. You get so much adrenaline to do something new again. I think we made it very well to the new audience and the old Candlemass fans. I think the people like it and we got a very good response so far from the people who have heard it yet.

Was it easy to write and record the album with all these problems going on or did you have bigger problems in the creation process?

Actually I think we had it the opposite way. We had more time to do it because of Covid because we couldn't do anything else. We got the time to be in the rehearsal room and to be in the studio, just to be there and do it together because we couldn't do any gigs. Nothing is perfect in Covid times (laughs) but for recording an album I think it's the perfect time.

I have listened to the album several times and I think that it is much easier to listen to than "The Door To Doom". What would you say makes the biggest difference to the last album?

"Door To Doom" was finished and then Johan came in at the last minute and we had it completely recorded with Mats and it was written for Mats vocals. When we parted company we called Johan and it was the right time and the right place because I wanted him as the proper Candlemass singer since Messiah departed in 2006. I had wanted him since that time but it wasn't the right time for him and maybe not for us and now the right time was there. This album is a more proper Candlemass album than "Door To Doom". "Door To Doom" was fantastic but now we had the chance to work with Johan and for him as well. To do it together and that he contributed his input and not just something that was done by the old singer but that he actually did something from the beginning, therefore I think this album stands. It's the first time for Johan to be a full-time member.

Can you tell me a little bit more about the meaning of the lyrics? I tried to interpret 'Sweet Evil Sun' and 'Scandinavian Gods' but I really do not have an idea what it is about… maybe challenges one has to face and that our heritage will live on after we die?

Well, everybody talks about the sun. It's very sweet and in Sweden everybody is happy when the sun is shining, then everything is good. But we called it 'Sweet Evil Sun' because when you have a look at what is happening in the world right now – everything from Covid to the prices of gasoline and everything, there are so many things that are happening that aren't good. So even if you say that the sun is so sweet, you cannot say that the sun is shining and everything is sweet and fun. It's still evil. There are so many evil things around the sweet. The sweet sun is also evil. So you cannot just say the sun is shining and everybody is happy. No, the people are not happy because there are so many problems in the world today.

But it doesn't have anything to do with climate change, has it?

Laughs. No, no, no! Nothing.

What's up with 'A Cup Of Coffin'? That sounds like some very bitter British humor…

The thing with Candlemass and what we've done through the years is of course always very serious but we also have some kind of read between the lines and some kind of humor. Of course we are a serious band but you always have to do this little bit sort of funny things in your catalogue and in what you are doing that people see that you don't take everything so fucking serious all the time. Some bands just take everything so serious and that everything is that perfect. We are very serious but we still have that humor and when we want to do it, we can do it if it's the right time. We have humor in the serious things that we are doing.

How did you come to the idea to make the duet with Jennie-Ann Smith from Avatarium? This is quite a cool song and something totally different from the regular Candlemass stuff.

That's a good question because that song is fantastic. I think it's something that stands for Candlemass in 2022. Jennie-Ann is like a family member for us, I mean like the whole Avatarium. Markus is producing our album and we are a community with them. That was an idea that came up that it would be perfect to have a female voice here. And the only female voice we could think of was Jennie-Ann because she's in the family. I think that song is amazing because it sticks out so much from the other songs because of that. The chorus line and the duet between Johan and Jennie-Ann is fantastic. I think it's like if you don’t like that you don't like Candlemass 2022. You have to do something new in a good way and as I said, I think it's amazing.

Haha, then you won't like the review from the German Deaf Forever because they said that the song isn't your best one and gave you 7.5 points out of 10 for this reason.

Well, I think we got up to seven points in some magazines. Of course I care about reviews but people are always complaining about things like "it doesn't sound like this…". One of my best friends, Tobias from Ghost has the same problem when his albums get reviewed: it's not true anymore because he is doing this and that…this is bullshit. I mean he has one of the biggest bands that we have in Sweden and he is like beyond everything and if you don't like it then listen to something else. And it's the same thing with Candlemass – if you don't like it you don't like Candlemass 2022. We had to do something else and if you don't like it. There are so many other bands that I don't like. I have full respect for bands that I don't like but I don't listen to them. But there are other bands you can listen to and I don't care. The thing is when you get good reviews of course you care about them and you don't wanna get bad reviews all the time. But the good reviews are holding up for the bad review reviews. If you think that Candlemass got to sound like on "Epicus" 37 years ago, this will not gonna happen. We all are 37 years older now and we have to do something to take Candlemass further. We've been around for so many years and why should we do exactly what we did in 1986?

You produced two videos, 'Sweet Evil Sun' and 'Scandinavian Gods' so far. Why did you decide for this animated stuff? I sometimes have the feeling that this has become a new trend and at least I don't like this kind of video too much for metal because I think that this somehow makes metal too hip and nice, haha!

Yeah, we talked about this and it was because every older band is doing the same kind of videos standing on a stage doing their thing or just have video clips driving your car or whatever. Everybody is doing that and you can see that on YouTube. You can see thousands of live gigs from Candlemass on YouTube – why should we do a video with a live gig? It was another thing when you were in the 70s or 80s and they showed the videos as promotion and you didn't have the YouTube channel but I think it isn't interesting anymore. I think it's cooler to do a video where people can speculate what that means. It's more like just to do something else instead of that what every band is doing. I see a lot of videos from bands which are very cool but it's not interesting anymore. So when the idea came up we said "yes, fuck, go for it!".

With "The Door To Doom" you were nominated for the Grammys – do you think you can reach this with "Sweet Evil Sun" again?

No, I don't think so. There are only two bands in the history of Swedish metal – Ghost and Candlemass – that have been nominated for the American Grammys. That's the biggest thing you can do in the music industry. We won two Swedish Grammys and the thing is that those two Grammys don't mean anything compared to being nominated in America. And that nomination made so much more for us than that we won two Swedish Grammys and of course it was a great song - 'Astrolus' with Tony Iommi on that song - we were nominated for. In America you get nominated for the best metal performance and in Sweden for the best metal album. I think it was the combination Candlemass featuring Tony Iommi which was a big thing. I would say that being nominated in America was the coolest thing I've ever done in my career. So I say never say never but I think that the chance of being nominated again is very very small.

Do you have any touring plans so far? I saw that you're playing two festivals this year.

Those festivals we just play "Nightfall" and "Epicus". We are going to promote the album next year and we have an American thing at the West Coast we are working on right now because we've done some gigs on the East Coast. We are also working on some big festivals in Europe as well and hopefully we can do an American tour because I love to go there because it was amazing to see the audience, how much they like Candlemass. Of course we want to promote the album as much as we can but so many things happened after the Covid things. So many bands are already booked and there are so many festivals that were booked before Covid so it's quite hard. I just talked with my friend from Dimmu Borgir today who said "fuck we don't have any gigs booked yet". So it's all because of Covid. The bands were already booked two years ago. But go for it as much as we can.